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Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby cubdriver2 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:14 am

Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

It has come to our attention that our aviation friends in Iowa and Kansas need our help. Please take a look and consider signing their petition.
The state aviation offices in Kansas and Iowa are pursuing the possibility of opening lakes owned by the U.S. Corps of Army Engineers to those pilots flying float-equipped aircraft. This petition is circulated to measure the level of interest from the aviation community to opening said Corps lakes to seaplane activity. This is the first step in a long process. Once demand is established, several additional steps will need to be accomplished prior to opening up lakes; however, it is important for us to know the level of interest and support to open Corps owned lakes in Kansas and Iowa to seaplane activity.The undersigned are not obligated to pursue their seaplane rating, nor are they to be held personally liable for any business that may use this list as a measure of potential market demand. Your personal information will not be shared publicly. Those signing below are simply stating that they support the effort to have the Corps consider opening up their lakes in Kansas and Iowa to boaters and pilots alike.

.This petition needs 1000 signatures to move ahead. Here is a link to sign and learn more about this petition:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/kansas-and-iowa-residents-support-an-effort-to

Thanks for taking a moment to help them out.

Glenn
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby jjbaker » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:15 am

Done, thanks for sharing this here, Glenn.
I'll send a PM out to our members, maybe a few people will spend the minute it takes to sign this.
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby RKittine » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:12 am

Thanks Glenn,

I just signed the petition and there was a couple of other "just now"s there on the page. I am sending the link to other pilots I know who are not registered or active here.

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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby baberger » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:35 am

I signed the petition...I was 287
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby Tim McCormack » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:13 am

We're now up to 295 at 10:00 Am Sunday 11/16/14

I hope the petition helps.

Thanks, Glenn.
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby Cary » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:33 am

I signed the petition, but I have little faith that even a massive influx of signatures will help much. Gummit agencies tend to do whatever they're going to do, regardless of the input of individuals or groups. Let's face it--general aviation is a rather small group itself, and seaplane pilots are such a small group within general aviation. Some call that cynicism; I call it realism.

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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby KlausNW » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:10 pm

Seaplaneforum is at least doing it's part... again :yessir:

Endeavor to persevere!

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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby gear » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:34 pm

signed this am.

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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby jjbaker » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:57 pm

Neat!

Keep it going, it has topped the 300 level and maybe AVweb will help to tickle a bit.

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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby CFII » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:31 pm

How does one sign without using Facebook or Twitter?
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby CFII » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:38 pm

Cary wrote:I signed the petition, but I have little faith that even a massive influx of signatures will help much. Gummit agencies tend to do whatever they're going to do, regardless of the input of individuals or groups. Let's face it--general aviation is a rather small group itself, and seaplane pilots are such a small group within general aviation. Some call that cynicism; I call it realism.

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Actually Cary, these petitions are often quite successful as a list of past victories shows. Because our group is so small, we need to put forth more effort to make our needs shown to government and public alike but it often works. That is realism.

Thank you, and all the others for your signatures and any supporters let me know when your in Seattle and I'll treat you to a flight through the mountains and over to the Islands for lunch or something if you like, all on me.
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby cubdriver2 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:21 pm

CFII wrote:How does one sign without using Facebook or Twitter?



Im not on FB or tweeter. Just click the link and sigh on the right

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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby jjbaker » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:46 am

I've sent this off to AVweb in hopes to get more non seaplane pilots to sign it. Russ might have it in, Friday or Monday.
A terrible shame to see time after time how impossible to mobilize our seaplane pilot community is.
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby CFII » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:29 am

Signed in about a minute once I realized Twitter and Facebook up at the top were not required.... Thank you Glenn
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby RKittine » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:35 am

Looks like only 360 so far. A long way to go for 1,000 at this rate. Pretty sad since we have 606 members here alone. Bob
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby CFII » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:38 am

Didn't see my name after rechecking an hour after signing, must be a time lag, will check again later.
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby KeithSmith » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:34 am

Cary wrote:I signed the petition, but I have little faith that even a massive influx of signatures will help much. Gummit agencies tend to do whatever they're going to do, regardless of the input of individuals or groups. Let's face it--general aviation is a rather small group itself, and seaplane pilots are such a small group within general aviation. Some call that cynicism; I call it realism.

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Every lawyer has an opinion. That's yours. Another famous lawyer would call yours one from "nattering nabobs of negativism".
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby akavidflyer » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:41 am

Just signed it.

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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby CFII » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:17 pm

CFII wrote:Didn't see my name after rechecking an hour after signing, must be a time lag, will check again later.


Took 45 seconds to re type my info and resubmit then my name showed immediately on the list this time.
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby jjbaker » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:24 pm

RKittine wrote:Pretty sad since we have 606 members here alone. Bob


Wanna hear something funny? We lost a member for this advocacy alert, which was sent to all members.
Some people are annoyed when they are asked to help out with things like this.

Every time, when I feel like things can't get more dumb and shameful, I get taught a lesson.

:? :? :dingle: :? :?

I've tried... back to waiting for snow.
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby CFII » Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:58 pm

You deal with that number of people you're bound to have culls, good riddance. They did you a favor!
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby RKittine » Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:15 am

I second that. Probably not a Supporting Member either.
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby jjbaker » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:01 pm

True on both responses.

Petition has reached 420 signatures.

I'd check for a counter petition since aquatic nuisance people have already gotten wind of the story.

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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby Tim McCormack » Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:06 pm

jjbaker wrote:
RKittine wrote:Pretty sad since we have 606 members here alone. Bob


Wanna hear something funny? We lost a member for this advocacy alert, which was sent to all members.
Some people are annoyed when they are asked to help out with things like this.

Every time, when I feel like things can't get more dumb and shameful, I get taught a lesson.

:? :? :dingle: :? :?

I've tried... back to waiting for snow.


Who ARE these people???? :anonymous: Amazing!!!! Good riddance.
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Re: Petition to open water in IA, KS to seaplane operations

Unread postby jjbaker » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:02 am

Tim, these people are generally members who are looking for free information but try to avoid engaging in a community.
They may not even remember that they joined this forum, most forum admins call them "drive by shooters".

Fortunately, I monitor and record how, when and why we pick up members, where they learned about the forum or who invited them.
The problem with members that get invited from other (not any specific) message boards is primarily loyalty to the other message board and it often seems to be politics, which prevents them from posting here. They know it would help the community and it would help the cause, but then they'd have to admit that they read "the other" message board and that can't happen.

If I had a dollar for every member who told me they would post actively, I could skip work this month.
If I had 5 dollars for every freeloader we've picked up over the years, I could run the website for the next year, without worry.

I am used to having my intelligence insulted, countless little advocacy alerts have gone out and people have consistently shown that they believe membership in any of the 3 and 4 letter organizations is sufficient for advocacy purposes. Doh, it isn't. Not only are we decimating in numbers, we can't even get a solid bunch of people to support a petition like this. Instead, there seems to be an attitude of defeatism in the ranks (see above).

Faith is what keeps this forum open, faith is what gives people the idea that a petition like this has a purpose and makes sense.
Topics like these need to be on the forefront and they should not slide off the radar. Its painful to see how ignorant our fellow pilots are, but its important to bring this out and make it a subject for people to confront. I am glad that people are annoyed when they are asked to support advocacy issues, it shows that they realize that association lip service and magazines and membership dues ain't making things happen. I know that I can't count on most people to come out swinging, hence I work with the press and I am proud to see that my gang did take the effort to help and do something.

The topic started on supercub.org, was transported here but hasn't made it onto SPA's forum, facebook page or other outlets.

I repeat the question I asked Dr. McManus in 2009. He could not answer it. Nobody has answered it, yet.

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