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Unread postby akavidflyer » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:50 am

Well I found a deal that was too good to pass up. She is a 63 180F ~5300 TT 1100 on a new O470R. The last annual was in September of 09 and the engine has some issues from sitting for a few years (I knew going into it that it will probly be a major or a PPonk upgrade) but the list of squawks on the old bird were surprisingly few. I have the winter to tinker and get her ready for flying next spring. She aint much to look at (yet) but for the price I couldn't go wrong.

She only came with floats and has not seen wheels since 76 as near as I can tell so I am looking for some gear legs and all the goodies to put the round black things on the ends and make her stop when we want it to. Need to find a tail wheel too.

I got the deal wrapped up the night before I came back to work so I wont have any more pics till I get home in a couple weeks but I will keep this thread updated with rebuild / tinkering pics.

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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby RKittine » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:16 pm

Looks like a lot of fun times to come. LOook forward to more pictures as you have them. Congratulations.
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby Tim McCormack » Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:01 am

Sounds like fun to me. I love projects like that. Congratulations! :elephant:
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby CFII » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:30 am

Gonna put some FL 2650s on it ?
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:07 am

I wish! I kinda can't though as I made a promise one time to a certain fed that I wouldn't put experimental floats on a certified plane again.. They kinda frowned on that one.

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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:10 pm

I got to put 6.8 hrs on the mummy before the water got stiff. Damn I hate this time of year when I have to pull the planes out of the water. I picked up a set of gear for it last week so hopefully next week when I am home I will get it swapped to wheels. Hoping to have a set of ski's in the next month or so.

She looks good sitting at the dock at the lodge. One of my favorite views in this state when its clear and you have Mt. McKinley as a back drop.
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:23 pm

A few pics showing the normal backdrop... cell phone camera just does not do the scene justice.
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby cubdriver2 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:04 pm

OK, now we all want to come visit you.

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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:20 pm

The view is spectacular winter or summer. When the mountain is lit up by the northern lights its breathtaking. Always have open seats for flying and fishing here!

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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby Tim McCormack » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:10 am

The plane and scenery both look great. It looks a lot like the Adirondacks ;)

hope you have a lot of good, safe flights in the new bird.
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:42 am

Tim McCormack wrote:The plane and scenery both look great. It looks a lot like the Adirondacks ;)

hope you have a lot of good, safe flights in the new bird.


Thanks!

I thought the same thing when looking at the pictures the Glen posted.. the only difference is the mountains we can run into here are 5-15,000' taller :D

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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby CFII » Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:15 am

Righteous pix, thanks for posting.
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:57 pm

I guess I may as well turn this into a rebuild / repair / tinkering thread.. Not going to be as impressive as some peoples rebuild threads by any means, but it gives me something to do while I am at work and have time to kill..

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At the dock after a quick flight to the lodge. Was a great flight and she flew nice and straight. Hauled in 50 gallons of Diesel to them to help hold them over till the water freezes and we can use the sleds to freight in fuel and supplies.

After this flight it was time to pull the plane out of the water as the lake started building ice the next day. The trailer I use for my Avid and the PA 12 was too small for the 180 so it was time to get to building. All the iron came out of scrap piles we have stacked up behind the hangar so it was nothing but time to get it built.

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I didnt get any pics of it in the trailer as it was blowing wet snow and rain and we were scrambling to get it inside before we lost all the heat in the hangar.

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It took 2 days of parts blaster, home make concoctions and me turning out a tool in the lathe to try and get the damn tail spring out. The cross tube was rusted in SOLID! I ended up cutting the cross tube with a sawzall to get the tail spring out, then we had to carefully split the tube inside the mount to fold it into itself and pound it out of the mount. That was a bugger that help to expand my vocabulary into something any sailor would be damn proud of!

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After much going back and forth, we went ahead a humored the IA by putting the 7/8" tail spring back on.. After the annual it will probly take a magic viagra and turn into a 1 1/8" that happens to be hiding on the shelf in the hangar. The gear and wheels came from Denalipilot and look sweet on the old gal. According the the log books and the previous owner, this is the first time since 74 that she has seen wheels.

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While we were busy replacing the right hand elevator, servicing the jack screws and putting in new trim cable and chain, the wife spent 3 days up to her arm pits slopping out the belly of 40 yrs worth of dirt, oil and crap build up. It took multiple applications of Stoddard solvent and lots of cussing to get the crap scraped out and cleaned up, but I bet it was close to 10 pounds of crap that came out. 5 full coffee cans of sludge and dirt came out of the belly not to mention what I was able to vacuum out before she went to work on it.

Interior has been stripped and the old ADF system and various other antiquated crap has been removed. I dont have any scales at the hangar, but I am certain 35-40 pounds have come out. We will see how we do when we put it back together and put it on scales for a new WB.

we are thinking of sound proofing and perhaps kydex to take care of the ceiling and aft cabin from the doors back. Extended baggage will be installed as well.
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:00 pm

2 steps forwards 10 steps back... The engine was tore down scattered across the country to have this shop rebuild that, that shop overhaul that etc at the various shops my IA was all warm and fuzzy dealing with. The plane got rolled out of the hangar to bring a couple other projects real quick.. Got hit with 60 MPH winds about 1 am yesterday morning and I got the dreaded call while I was at work yesterday morning.. Seems we just added a wing tip, left aileron, left horizontal stab and elevator to the list of shit to rebuild or replace. I'm waiting on pics now that shows the damage. I guess the plus side is, the ailerons were going to get re-skinned one day anyhow, so why not do it now up front....

Clarification.... We had pulled the 180 out of the hangar to pull the floats off my Avid and put the skis on.. then my buddy had some work to do on his kitfox. The intention was to put the 180 back in the hangar when done, but it didn't happen and she slept outside after I left.. Neither of us idiots were bright enough to call the other and say hey, did you tie the plane down there is a windstorm coming. The only thing that brings me some consolation is the mental picture of my buddy waking up at 1:30 am to a horrific crash outside his house and running out in 10 degree temps with 60+ MPH wind blowing in his underwear trying to wrangle in 3 planes that are getting scattered around the yard in front of the hangar. I have told him 100 times to tie the damn planes down but he just wouldn't listen. My Avid was parked 30 yard further out in the front of the hangar on the ice tied down with ice screws. She flew on the ropes, but stayed safely secured. Can you guess who went and bought some ice screws the next day for his other planes? I guess 75 bucks each for the screws is a lot better than freezing in your underwear now :lol: he didn't even bitch about the price of them this time.
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:06 pm

The above post actually happened a month ago, I just never posted it... part of the stupid shit we do and yet we still remember to breathe stuff we mentioned in another thread :lol:

All major engine parts are back from reconditioning / overhaul and should be getting balanced and assembled in the next couple of weeks. When I get home from work this hitch I will be pulling the bent metal off the plane and sending it out for repairs. Hopefully when the ice goes out on the lake we will have this bird back together and ready to fly.

Good thing I have a partner who is more worried about getting the plane in the air rather than the costs involved, or I would be dragging this project out over the next 5 yrs.

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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby S Robichaud » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:19 pm

While we were busy replacing the right hand elevator, servicing the jack screws and putting in new trim cable and chain, the wife spent 3 days up to her arm pits slopping out the belly of 40 yrs worth of dirt, oil and crap build up. It took multiple applications of Stoddard solvent and lots of cussing to get the crap scraped out and cleaned up, but I bet it was close to 10 pounds of crap that came out. 5 full coffee cans of sludge and dirt came out of the belly not to mention what I was able to vacuum out before she went to work on it.


Hope you treated her good after all that work.....don't forget to treat the wife good after all that work also :lol:
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:28 pm

S Robichaud wrote:
Hope you treated her good after all that work.....don't forget to treat the wife good after all that work also :lol:



The wife was fairly compensated :D She gets off on getting greasy and working on projects with me. I got damn lucky on that one! she is ready to jump in and start stripping the paint off and I am holding her back. I want to get it flyable for this summer then next winter we can strip it and repaint her.

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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby skimmerone » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:37 pm

There is one good thing about all that slop in the belly; it holds parts. The trim indicator in the Colonial Skimmer is a little phenolic block 1/2 by 3/4 by 1/4 that slides in a slot. It has little eyelets onto which is tied radio dial cord with a spring on one end and the other winds up on the trim wheel axle. It was totally missing, but I got to thinking that the cord rotted and everything could have fallen into the bilge. I started fishing around with a putty knife and sure enough, there they were trapped in soggy miasma. I had owned this same parts airplane when it was flyable and sold it in 1966 with a clean bilge. It was during the restoration of #1 that I purchased some of #12 for parts, at least 40 years and many hours later. My wife was also a great asset during the project. Helping mask the numbers, scrub the wings before painting, never complaining about my complaining, cooking meals at all hours and for whomever was helping that day. And biggest of all, not being afraid to fly in it like some others around town that I won't name.

An another note, I had just finished painting a Lake that I owned quite a few years ago, when I was young, and sure enough, within the first month someone taxied by with one of those nasty high-wing jobs and bashed my pristine rudder with their wingtip. Murphy's Law.
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby Float Pilot » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:08 pm

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Have your found anyone around your area who is good at paint jobs....???

My old C-172 could use a little roughing up and a light over-spray. Plus I would like to paint my silver floats white
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:14 pm

I do my own painting. I'm going to be painting my 1320's and the 180 floats real soon. It wouldn't be a big deal to shoot another set of floats if you supply the paint. I'm not too keen on doing another entire plane though as it's a ton of prep work :lol: I'm in the middle of painting a new kitfox that a buddy built now.

Painting new fabric is fun.. Stripping and painting an entire plane.... Not so much fun lol
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Thu May 01, 2014 7:23 pm

well it is slowly coming together. All parts for the engine are back and at the IA's shop, new carb, mags etc. The prop is in the hangar waiting for the IA to get the engine built and hung back on the plane. I took the elevator and stab to a guy 75 miles away who has been doing sheet metal repair work for 50+ years and came highly recommended..... He called and said the shit was ready to pick up so I drove down there and this is what I got for $3650.00...

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big gap on the stabilizer skin overlap

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Clamp / plier marks all along the edge of the elevator

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crack in the skin on the bottom of the elevator

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top side of stab had a bubble in the skin and the rivet was pounded in so hard that when you put a straight edge over the skin the rivet head is almost 3/16" below the surface of the skin.

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The stab skins dont even come close to matching the fiberglass tips

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99% of the rivet heads were pounded down below the surface of the skins.

When I confronted the guy, he said all he would do was "repair" the crack in the elevator and put a 185 leading edge skin on the stab to hide the shitty work and big gaps. But as far as the rest of the rivets being pounded too hard, I was just being "to nitpicky" I don't think it is too much to ask that new skins not look like they have been through a hail storm. The bad part is he has these tagged as serviceable... anyone else see anything wrong here?
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby Tim McCormack » Fri May 02, 2014 7:57 am

He should have quit 49 1/2 years ago. :friendsforever:
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Fri May 02, 2014 11:31 am

My IA recommended him and all the 135 guys in the area use him.. I have seen the work he did on my IA's 180 and it looks factory new, straight and perfect.. I am not sure if its eye sight failing him or what. My IA said there is no way in hell he will sign the plane off if we put this crap on the plane so now we are stuck fighting with this guy to make it right, or take it some place else and have to pay again to get it done right..
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby Tim McCormack » Fri May 02, 2014 7:42 pm

If he doesn't respond to a gentlemanly request for fixing it I'd take him to small claims court. If the IA says it's not airworthy you've got a good case for restitution.
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Re: Saving a Ramp Mummy

Unread postby akavidflyer » Fri May 02, 2014 8:58 pm

I thought about the small claims court... but all that will do is give me a piece of paper I can then wipe my a$$ with as there is no legal recourse for me to actually get my money out of him.... a piece of paper saying he owes me money does not mean I will ever collect.. been there and done that and wasted my time doing so. I am hoping he will remove his head from his ass and do the right thing without being strong armed.

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