Amphibious 172 / 180 hp, performance, useful load

[Tklaw]

Hi guys, I am looking at purchasing a 172 / 180 hp on 2350 wipline amphibious floats with powerflow exhaus. Any information on performance and true useful load would be appreciated, can it handle two 200 pounders plus full fuel (50 gal.), most operations less than 1000 msl, how many seconds to get off the water, etc., thanks

[cubdriver2]

Welcome, maybe Whip can answer that for you.

Glenn

[akavidflyer]

Do you want french fries with that order?

[akavidflyer]

I don't even hear crickets chirping... the bald fearless leader must have busted out the insecticide and hosed the site pretty good.

[akavidflyer]

It seems that JJ is out playing with his pet pony.

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In the meantime, we have been left in the hands of the most capable help line available to answer any questions we have about Sea Planes

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[jjbaker]

In the meantime, we have been left in the hands of the most capable help line available to answer any questions we have about Sea Planes

You look better than I thought, Perry. When did you move to India? Are you constipated again?

[akavidflyer]

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so witty of you... why don't you get back in your kitchen and cook me some brats... try to make yourself useful for once.

[jjbaker]

Witty?

Am I posting pics of my relatives on your forum?

[akavidflyer]

you would had you thought about it first... I expected more out of you than this. you must be spending time with the extended family today. Hope you dont burn the house down.

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[akavidflyer]

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But I must thank you for your contributions to our services in the past...

[jjbaker]

What a nice little costume you got. Who's the long legged girl to your right?

[akavidflyer]

What a nice little costume you got. Who's the long legged girl to your right?

Don't play stupid with me, You will win every time. That was you earlier today at your thanksgiving in the hood dinner with all yer buddies. I always knew that you folks across the pond were some strange ducks but this takes the cake...

[jjbaker]

You missed some meds. Is that all you got?

[akavidflyer]

bet you heard this quite a bit when you were actually flying a seaplane....

[BGH]

Seemed like the fellow that started this thread had a legitimate request for information so what is the rest of this crap?

Daryl

[Tklaw]

Thanks Daryl, I am new to the site and was hoping to get some information I could use in my decision making process.

Terry

[akavidflyer]

Seemed like the fellow that started this thread had a legitimate request for information so what is the rest of this crap?

Daryl

Looks like someone picking on jj to me.
Seems like one of the more active threads too right now.

[jjbaker]

Seemed like the fellow that started this thread had a legitimate request for information so what is the rest of this crap?

Daryl

Thanks for speaking up. I was wondering who would throw a wrench in the gear and how much further we could push it.

Thanks Daryl, I am new to the site and was hoping to get some information I could use in my decision making process.

Terry

Terry, thanks for joining Seaplaneforum.com.

I am sorry your initial experience was a bit strange. We get a lot of new registrations from people looking for free information for their $100K - 300K decision making processes. While many post just once, many are gone the second their question is answered. Most of those seeking information do not involve themselves on any other part of the forum and steer clear of participating or becoming part of what we have tried to build here. And the site suffers from this ignorance and arrogance, both financially and with activity.

A discussion forum is a living organism and depends on people to to be personable and belong to a team. What other reasons would people who frequently charge $100+/ hour for their professional knowledge have, for helping others here. A good forum goes well beyond the robotic answering of peoples questions. Both Wiplinger and the seller of the plane should bend over backwards to make sure you have accurate information and ample opportunity to test this aircraft.

We find very few Wiplinger customers on this forum - most of them "are busy managing their wealth and do not have time to exchange opinions with the masses". All I can tell you is that Wip Amphib equipped 172's tend to be a bit sluggish on performance and prices speak for themselves. Looks fancy - but its an expensive two people airplane and quite limited in its capability. Thought of a 180/185?

Seems like one of the more active threads too right now.

Herein the crux.

[BGH]

Terry;

My wife & I have owned a 1970 Cessna 185 since 1983. It is hoped that our Edo 2790 Amphibs will be finished their complete rebuild by next year, prior to the Amphibs the aircraft spent every second summer on cap 3000D floats.
I can tell you that with full long range tanks full the payload is poor. With full fuel (460lbs) and a maximum take off on the runway of 3265 we have a useful load of 502 lbs & for landing on the 2790's on land or water the maximum is 3190 lbs.
I have been busy working so I haven't had time to dig up the 172/180 HP numbers on Amphibs, but I don't think that they will impress anyone that wants to put two 200 lbers, fill the tanks & go flying.
Even on straight float with full fuel our 185 had a useful payload of 640 lbs.
Lots of experienced operators on this site, one of them may be able to get the numbers a little faster than myself, if not I'll try to find them for you.
Cessna 180, 182 (nice wide cabin ask gear)185 & 206 are other aircraft to research if you have your heart set on the Amphibs route.

Daryl

[gear]

Hey Terry -welcome. I can offer you my 2 cents. My only experience on a 172 was during my initial seaplane training. It was straight floats, but 180 Hp. Performance was ok. Power flow would add a bit of performance, but amphibs will knock it back more. With 700 lbs of load (400 people and 300 fuel) I doubt that you will be legal, particularly with amphibs. The plane will be no super cub, but it would be ok, but I don't think you'll always fly want to around illegally.

Perhaps if you can share why you've picked this plane, and maybe comment on pricing, we can suggest if there may be some other options to consider. If you know the useful load, can you post that?

Garth

[gear]

Ps, excuse the thread creep from the other two guys, I think they started their weekend party a little early

[Bill Rusk]

Experimental Supercub - Empty weight on Wip amphibs 1325. GW - 2300 Useful load 975 pounds.
Full fuel 68 gallons = 408 pounds = 8.5 hours flight time. leaves 567 pounds for passengers and cargo

So, tell me again what is so great about an amphib 180/185??

If you do not plan extensive, long, remote trips, and don't really need 4 seats (ie wife and kids) I think a 172 with a 180 can work OK. It is all a compromise between available funds, and performance. We all want incredible performance, but we have what we can afford (Vs what we sometimes want.)

Bill

[gear]

Experimental Supercub - Empty weight on Wip amphibs 1325. GW - 2300 Useful load 975 pounds.
Full fuel 68 gallons = 408 pounds = 8.5 hours flight time. leaves 567 pounds for passengers and cargo

Bill

Bill - whats the going price these days of one of these? What kind of volume can they haul?

[Bill Rusk]

Well.....most of them will be closer to 1500pds on amphibs, with a gross of 2300, so about 800 useful. I built mine really light so my useful is higher than normal. If you can find one it will go for about 100 to 150K depending on avionics, quality etc. Then the amphibs will be on top of that. Volume of the baggage compartment is large enough to sleep in. Plus I have a second compartment above that. The downside is you do have to watch your CG.
But again performance can be pretty awesome. Even loaded to the hilt it will be off the water pretty quick. Light - I can get off the water in 5 to 8 seconds depending on wind. Loaded up is closer to 20 seconds at max weight.
Another downside is that most women (wives) don't want to sit behind you they want to sit beside you, thus side by side seating becomes a necessity.

Bill

[cubdriver2]

My wife makes me sit in the back

Glenn