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Float-plane Noise in Victoria Harbour

Unread postby KlausNW » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:55 pm

Action urged to govern float-plane noise in Victoria Harbour

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/action-urged-to-govern-float-plane-noise-in-victoria-harbour-1.23147664

Bill Cleverley / Times Colonist
JANUARY 18, 2018 06:00 AM

Victoria, British Columbia Canada, council is once again asking the federal government for regulations governing noise from float planes in its harbour.

“There is an issue with respect to the regulation of float planes in our community,” Coun. Ben Isitt said last week, noting that Victoria has been promised for the past decade and a half that regulatory amendments are on the way.

“It’s always the story of next year that we’re going to get the regulations,” he said. “Regardless of what people think of this industry and its impact on the community … the public interest would be best served by having a permanent regulatory framework that everyone is aware of.”

Isitt urged that Mayor Lisa Helps write the federal government for action.

“I think to provide some certainty for people living near the harbour, for employees, for the operators of these companies and for others — potential purchasers of land near the harbour — we need to get this regulatory ambiguity resolved,” he said.

The harbour airport has been running for about 17 years under draft regulations. Council last wrote to the federal government about the issue in July, asking that a noise exposure forecast for the Victoria Harbour Water Airport be provided.

In his most recent response, received Oct. 28, federal Transport Minister Marc Garneau said there will be a 30-day comment period following the pre-publication of the proposed regulatory amendments this year.

As for the noise exposure forecast, Garneau says “for the year ending December 2016, total annual aircraft movements were 13 per cent lower than the benchmark figures used in the 2012 noise study.”

“Transport Canada continues to monitor aircraft movements annually, and the completion of further noise studies will be revisited should there be a significant increase in aircraft movements above peak 2002 levels,” Garneau writes.
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Re: Float-plane Noise in Victoria Harbour

Unread postby RKittine » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:07 am

At least they made note of "Potential Purchase of Land...." as compared to only pointing out "current land owners" that bought knowing that these operations were going on, especially considering the peak was back in 2002.

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Re: Float-plane Noise in Victoria Harbour

Unread postby KlausNW » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:46 pm

Noise and dense population area go hand in hand. Completely get rid of planes and council member Ben Isitt will need to shut down cars, trains, ships and people talking in the street. At what point will Mr. Isitt be happy. I know a playground that got removed because some folks complained about the kids playing and screaming.

One of the loudest, noisiest sounds is the wind. The city of Juneau did a multi-million dollar noise study of everything (mostly aircraft). The study took twice as long to complete because the wind wouldn't quit blowing and corrupted the study. The report even said that the wind was so loud most days they couldn't hear the aircraft.
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Re: Float-plane Noise in Victoria Harbour

Unread postby RKittine » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:51 pm

Yep Klaus, all true. We have similar problems here at the East Hampton Airport. The ones complaining, just don't like airplane noise. In some cases, probably kids screaming too. With all the Jets, Turbo Props and Helicopters going into and out of East Hampton, the ones complaining are taking the position that cars, though they go by are gone in seconds and even those that live near the train tracks (commuter only) say that the 9 trains per day, that take about 20 seconds for the 7 cards to go by are less offensive then the much longer aircraft noise per aircraft in and around the airport pattern. As with the problem you are talking about, the township that owns the airport wants to get rid of it do to the land value. That area brings about $900,000 per acre for raw land and even with laying out parks and streets, there would be an awful lot of building lots resulting. The fuel surcharge and landing fees are taking their toll. These are people that have no interest in aviation other than the big airports and the part 121 carriers.

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Re: Float-plane Noise in Victoria Harbour

Unread postby KlausNW » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:44 pm

Float-plane noise has been reduced

Times Colonist: http://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/letters/float-plane-noise-has-been-reduced-1.23150133
JANUARY 21, 2018 12:52 AM

Re: “Action urged to govern float-plane noise,” Jan. 18.

As a fifth-generation Victorian and a 30-year resident of a waterfront property, I believe I have a duty to comment on Coun. Ben Isitt’s recent views on float-plane traffic in the Inner Harbour.

I’m wondering why the councillors responsible for being the liaison for the affected area (all sides of the harbour) have not come forward to address the concerns of residents. I believe only one or two non-turboprop planes are operating now, compared with 25 years ago.

Before the turboprop, the Inner Harbour was much louder. Turboprops changed everything.

Many people living on the Inner Harbour are not from here and do not know of the past. Johnson Street and Pandora Avenue were “skid row.” Today, downtown is much nicer and more inviting than 40 to 50 years ago, thanks to past and present mayors and councillors.

In less than one year, Victoria Harbour will celebrate 100 years of float-plane traffic, with the first airmail float planes arriving in these waters operated by Bill Boeing.

As everyone dislikes obtrusive noise, I believe the noise today is well within the tolerance level of most citizens. Planes do not take off too early or too late. They fly only in daylight.

Furthermore, for people to complain about noise after buying property on the harbour is like someone buying a house next to Victoria International Airport and complaining about noise. I believe federal Transport Minister Marc Garneau’s comments will address most citizens’ concerns.


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Re: Float-plane Noise in Victoria Harbour

Unread postby RKittine » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:56 pm

Nice to get letters like that one.
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