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Yellowstone Seaplane NIMBYs

Unread postby KlausNW » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:06 pm

Residents oppose plan to offer seaplane tours of Yellowstone

See more at: http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/montana/residents-oppose-plan-to-offer-seaplane-tours-of-yellowstone/555181437#sthash.ZFOGbyG3.dpuf

BOZEMAN, Mont. - Residents outside Yellowstone National Park are opposing plans to start seaplane tours of the park and surrounding area this summer.

Yellowstone Seaplanes has applied for a permit to operate from Montana's Hebgen Lake just outside Yellowstone's western boundary.

Gallatin County planner Megan Gibson tells the Bozeman Daily Chronicle (http://bit.ly/2rCZmv4 ) that her department has received about 140 letters in opposition.

Lynda Caine, the owner of the fly fishing lodge Firehole Ranch, is one of the lake's residents who is against the plan. She says people who are fishing don't want to be buzzed by a sea plane.

Yellowstone Seaplanes' website advertises half-hour to two-hour tours to begin this summer. It would operate from an existing marina.

Gallatin County commissioners will take up the application Thursday in West Yellowstone.
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Unread postby RKittine » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:16 pm

Will be interesting to see the outcome of this.
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Re: Yellowstone Seaplane NIMBYs

Unread postby KlausNW » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:16 pm

Gallatin County commissioners deny seaplane permit

http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/ktvm/gal ... /558021608

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Posted: Jun 22, 2017 09:50 PM MDT
Updated: Jun 23, 2017 09:34 AM MDT

BOZEMAN, Mont. -

The Gallatin County Planning and Zoning Commission denied Yellowstone Seaplanes' request for a conditional use permit Thursday.

The commercial seaplane company planned to operate out of Kirkwood Marina on Hebgen Lake near Yellowstone. The permit would have taken effect May 2018, lasting three years.

Yellowstone Seaplanes would have taken passengers on a tour through the area, operating from May to October, seven days a week from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.

About 100 neighbors attended a meeting at the Holiday Inn to voice their concerns over the company.

Residents were worried the company would jeopardize the safety of boaters and kayakers, and that the noise levels would be disruptive.

"He is offering 30-minutes, one-hour and two-hour flights, which means we would be bombarded by noise and the problems that come with that," Lyndy Caine, a local business owner, said.

Lauren Dewit, the applicant-owner of Yellowstone Seaplanes, told NBC Montana he feels he was shut down from the beginning.

"It was a very scientific approach to it, but it was lost on all the public that showed up and were unopen to hear my information," Dewit said.
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Re: Yellowstone Seaplane NIMBYs

Unread postby KlausNW » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:04 pm

When one of these earthquakes destroy the highways out of Yellowstone who is going to help these NIMBY's out :?:

Scientists study swarm of Yellowstone earthquakes

http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/ktvm/sci ... /557517895

BUTTE, Mont. - Seismologists are studying a swarm of 500-plus earthquakes that have rattled the Yellowstone Park area since June 12.

Most are centered 8 miles north-northeast of West Yellowstone. That is just a few miles east of the Hebgen Lake Basin, the site of the historic 1959 quake. That one measured 7.3 on the Richter scale, killed 28 people and created Quake Lake, near the Gallatin National Forest.

Mike Stickney, of the Earthquake Studies office at Montana Tech, said earthquake swarms are normal in Yellowstone. He says many are smaller. When we checked we found dozens that measured under 2.0 on the Richter scale.

However, Stickney said he hasn’t seen such an extensive swarm of earthquakes in Yellowstone since 2010. But he stressed each is small enough that no one is in immediate danger.

Stickney told us, “We live in earthquake country. We can never say that this isn't leading up to something bigger. But at this point, we have no reason to believe its portending to be anything more drastic."
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Re: Yellowstone Seaplane NIMBYs

Unread postby jjbaker » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:52 pm

I am sure our highly effective friends in FL were on top of it with the whole cavalery. Contacts on the inside and such. Guess we've got to update todays latest article on Seaplanemagazine.com
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Re: Yellowstone Seaplane NIMBYs

Unread postby KlausNW » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:57 am

You know Jason, when you have to buy facebook friends because you don't have any of your own, your payed friends won't tell you much.

It's funny how our couple of dozen or so active members discover and converse but, the 15,000 others have no idea.

Maybe someday one of the overly active advocacy members from that organization will read these NIMBY post?
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Re: Yellowstone Seaplane NIMBYs

Unread postby jjbaker » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:01 am

Thats right, Klaus. Its very obvious that Facebook Likes are a performance indicator for the groups leadership. If its growing, that means the association is growing by leaps and bounds.

The real fans & followers on Facebook match those campaigned and bought ones in behavior & response to calls to action, though. I used to work as marketing and sales manager for a aviation company and part of my responsibility was corporate social media. Major PITA! Facebook, Twitter & Co. Both platforms are inherently useless beyond creating clicks.

Even in our best advocacy days here, to get any meaningful response required being on peoples ass 100% of the time, emailing, followup calls and constant monitoring. The problem is twofold in our industry.

1. You have those who think SPA is already on it, the current and past motion to keep advocacy topics out of public light is a perfect way to conceal inaction.

2. You have those who think that an attack on XYZ in Hinterland Montana is of no consequence to those in Fl or elsewhere and the approach is based on the theory that all issues are just local bushfires and hence insignificant.

Fact is, our opponents know of this tremendous weakness and exploit it at every turn. 90% of "us" remain completely blindsighted until its simply to late.

50% of the blame for our defeat is with those affected directly because they reject communities like this one and never ask for help.

All those reading here (secretly) still exist and a fact also remains that Seaplanemagazine.com reaches a truckload of people including those in management of most associations. Its not that help is categorically unavailabe, the tools are simply not used to their potential and stay in the shed 99% of the time.

All you have to do is ask for help, both Chris and I would leap forward to help get the word out and I think we here on the forum could still ruffle some feathers if we remembered why and how we started here, instead of learning about stuff from the daily tabloid rag.

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Re: Yellowstone Seaplane NIMBYs

Unread postby jjbaker » Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:36 am

Not that it changes anything, but the saga continues...

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/ne ... 60239.html
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Re: Yellowstone Seaplane NIMBYs

Unread postby Rajay » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:28 pm

Just to clarify, the hearing was about whether or not he would get a permit to conduct commercial ops off the lake, right?

I didn't see that particular lake noted in the SPA water landing directory at all - does that mean it is automatically excluded or included as a potential landing spot for non-commercial seaplane ops? Would any random seaplane pilot get away with landing there on his way somewhere else, or even to visit someone on the shore of the lake, or would he get into trouble with the local government?
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Re: Yellowstone Seaplane NIMBYs

Unread postby jjbaker » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:16 pm

Never a way to tell. To my knowledge, no unverified data or information collection ever assumes responsibility for the accuracy of info. Local government is not excluded from arbitrary and capricious rulemaking and enforcement, even if in direct violation of federal laws and regulations.
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